As we unclasped our hands, the president said to me, Shannon was the real deal, we are lucky to have people like her willing to go out there and face evil for us. Up ellie and carl you and me we got this poster. He kept his arm on my shoulder. Together, as we waited for the plane that would bring Shannon home, we spent another 20 minutes talking about my wife, our children and what an amazing mother, wife and soldier she was.

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It was clear to me that President Trump truly cared not just that Shannon and three others had been killed in Syria, but about who Shannon and the three others were as people. Then the president did something that I did not expect: He asked me what I thought about Syria and what we were doing there. Up ellie and carl you and me we got this poster. He talked to me a Green Beret and a combat veteran, not some expert at the Pentagon or a think tank about the wisdom leaving troops in harm’s way once ISIS’ territorial caliphate had been destroyed. It was clear to me that he was deeply conflicted about whether staying in Syria was worth the lives lost Shannon and her three colleagues on that day in January. Following that hard day in Dover when President Trump was with my family as Shannon came home, I attended another event with him and was able to perhaps more clearly talk with members of his staff and family about foreign policy and Gold Star family issues, such as the casualty assistance officer program and changing Defense Department regulations in Shannon’s honor.

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